Timothy McVeigh Wannabees

This is NOT an April Fools joke!  During an interview with Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) and Rep. David Dreier (R-CA), John Hannity declared that their live audience was “Tim McVeigh Wannabes.”  That remark won big cheers from the crowd  and smiles on the faces of California’s congressional representatives McCarthy and Dreier.

Just to remind you, Tim McVeigh was an anti-government terrorist, convicted of blowing up the Oklahoma City Federal Building, killing 168 people, of which many were babies and young children who were housed in a day care center on the premises. Since then, from 1995 to 2005, over 60 domestic terrorism plots have been foiled.

If McCarthy, Dreier and Hannity support murderer Tim McVeigh, they should be questioned for possible treasonous activities.  Members of the audience should also be carefully scrutinized. John Hannity should be fired.

Don’t take my word for it. See for yourself at: Hannity Calls His Audience “Tim McVeigh Wannabes”! And they Cheer?

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  1. Jennifer Chambers / The Detroit News
    At least seven people, including some from Michigan, have been arrested in raids by a FBI-led Joint Terrorism Task Force in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana as part of an investigation into an Adrian-based Christian militia group, a person familiar with the matter said. The suspects are expected to make an initial appearance in U.S. District Court in Detroit on Monday. On Sunday, a source close to the investigation in Washington, D.C. confirmed that FBI agents were conducting activities in Washtenaw and Lenawee counties over the weekend in connection to Hutaree, a Christian militia group. Detroit FBI Special Agent Sandra Berchtold told The Detroit News the federal warrants in the case are under court seal and declined further comment. Sources have said the FBI was in the second day of raids around the southeastern Michigan city of Adrian that are connected to a militia group, known as the Hutaree, an Adrian-based group whose members describe themselves as Christian soldiers preparing for the arrival and battle with the anti-Christ

    About 3 years ago the priest from my Episcopal Church held some after service meetings based on a book called “10 Things Your Minister Wants to Tell You: (But Can’t, Because He Needs the Job) by Rev. Oliver Thomas. My wife Susan bought and read the book, Me not so much. The reason I bring this up is pretty simple, GOD now has a militia.

    Great guy / girl that God is I mean he or she can cure cancer, get you home safe in bad weather, get you get job you have been praying for, stop the shower from leaking, avoid foreclosure, make sure there is enough gas in the tank till payday, help you to start drinking in the morning. Help Butler cover the spread, Oh yeah he can also tell you to fly planes into buildings, shoot to death those who don’t share or believe in the same idea’s..Remember that song by XTC “What if God was one of us”

    You have to think that even in this 24/7 world of ours God has some down time. My idea’s are that he sit’s in his Lazy Boy put’s on his 64 inch Trinitron looks around, lights up a bowl and mumbles, if I may so humbly quote, “ You people still don’t get it, ah F it , what time is Springer on” Alright maybe he has a bigger television, but you have to think that after all these years of being blamed for strive, pro life, loss of life, Limbaugh, Clinton, Palin, the Mets, and the guy that ate the apple, he had enough.

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  2. blairgarber

    Gina, I hate to spoil all your fun looking for Tea Party terrorists plotting under your bed at night, but did it occur to you that Sean’s remarks may have been sarcastic? That they were meant to show the absurdity of the progressive left’s incessant ranting that Conservatives in general and Tea Partiers in specific, are dangerous pariahs, beyond the pale of decency, a bunch of Tim McVeigh wannabes? ‘Cause by taking him at face value I’m pretty sure Sean would think he definitely put one over on you.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/lachlan-markay/2010/04/04/libtalkers-use-sarcastic-tim-mcveigh-remark-smear-hannity

    BTW I subscribed too, and would be happy to be your right wing liaison, should you ever need any clarification of our hate speech, oops! ah …I mean thoughtful pro-liberty positions. Now where did I put my white hood…?

    /blair

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  3. Where do I begin? Did it occur to me that Sean’s remarks may have been sarcastic? Well, no, since those words were strung together with a complementary shout out to encourage the audience and give strength to the tea party movement. Do you really think that the leader of the rally would throw out a sarcastic jab reflecting badly on the people from whom he is garnishing support? I mean, if this were the case, then I would have to say Sean is not too bright. Either way, Sean doesn’t come out looking too good in this one.

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  4. blairgarber

    “Do you really think that the leader of the rally would throw out a sarcastic jab reflecting badly on the people from whom he is garnishing support?”

    Well, yes Gina, that’s precisely what I think, since that would be the very definition of sarcasm.

    /b

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  5. Ok, so I could have said “Do you really think that the leader of the rally would throw out a sarcastic jab towards the people from whom he is garnishing support?”

    So, there it is without the definition “reflecting badly.” Do you still think precisely that Sean Hannity was being sarcastic? Why would he do that? That doesn’t make any sense.

    Could he have been thinking “Let me say something hateful toward this crowd because I really want their support?” I don’t think anyone would do such a stupid thing.

    That is precisely why I don’t think that Sean thought that he was saying something hateful. I believe he thought he was saying something to encourage the crowd. Isn’t that how you “work” a crowd? Garner support? Motivate people to listen to you?

    If you still believe that he was being sarcastic, I would have to say that you are being irrational.

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  6. blairgarber

    Gina, I guess it’s safe to say the humor of his sarcasm was lost on you. Fortunatly it wasn’t lost on the audience.

    So, lets look at it your way: Sean is hate-filled and promoting the crowd to mimic the terrorist acts of Tim McVehy, for which they applaud.

    …and I am the easter bunny.

    Is that right?

    /b

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  7. Humor? There is nothing funny about blowing up babies and children.

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  8. blairgarber

    Nor is it funny to demonize people by innuendo or association.

    But instead of arguing how would you like to see for yourself who comes to Tea Parties and what get’s said and done?

    You’ll have a perfect opportunity on the 15th at the Chicago Tax Day Tea Party. And I’ll be happy to act as your guide and host! I’ll introduce you around, and there are even 2 friends of my that will be speaking, Dr Arie Friedman MD, and Joel Pollak. Joel is running for congress against Jan Schakowsky in the 9th District.

    Richard Baehr of americanthinker.com and Annie Leary of backyardconservative.blogspot.com, also my friends, will be there so you’ll have a chance to talk blogging with them.

    Of course since the invitation is mine, It’ll be my pleasure to provide pick up and drop off service for you, or you and Cindy both! I’ll even buy you lunch.

    There, a friendly and generous offer made in the sprit of dialog and understanding. What say you?

    /Blair

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  9. I am not laughing and I do not find it funny that Mr. Hannity has decided to associate himself or make innuendos to imply association with Tim McVeigh.

    I appreciate your generosity and invitation, however, since I do not share the political goals and the philosophy of the Tea Party, I respectfully decline your invitation.

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  10. blairgarber

    Gina,

    That makes me sad, I had hoped that you would be anxious to actually see what you have judged so far without experiencing. Perhaps I should make it clear, I’m not asking you to change your political views, just inviting you to see the movement for yourself and take the opportunity to meet some new and very nice people outside your current sphere.

    In fact, I thought Joy Behar said liberals were openminded and intellectual? So forgive me, but I would think that alone would be enough reason to come and see what Tea Parties are all about. After all, your writing opines about them freely, so think of how much more credibility you’d have if you actually went to a Tea Party.

    Of course there is always the risk that your views may change. However I’m afraid to say that unlike Joy, who claims there exists a special liberal open-mindedness, I find challenging their prejudices, make most overly committed liberals very uneasy indeed.

    So please, open your mind, prove me wrong, and say you will come, for I’d dearly love to meet you, host, and be proven wrong about liberals.

    …or as an appeal to your intellect, you could just think of it as a exercise in Hegelian dialectic.

    /b

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  11. anitawein

    I don’t think going to a tea party you will “meet some new and very nice people.” From the banners they carry, depicting Obama as Hitler, Obama Bin Laden, and negative posters about health care (let’s hope they don’t get sick), anti-government (let’s hope there are no crimes or fires in their area), I doubt there are many nice people among them. The tea Party movement is led by Sarah Palin. Nuff said. Don’t go Gina!

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  12. blairgarber

    Anita, your diatribe has provided a perfect example of closed minded prejudice. Besides, I’ll be there as will my friends, and my niceness has already been vouched for to Gina.

    /b

    ps: the tea party movement has no leaders and needs none.

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  13. anitawein

    Not to me!

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  14. anitawein

    What’s “closed minded prejudice” about pointing out what is actually happening?
    ps: I should have said titular head.

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  15. blairgarber

    Dear Anita, when I refer to your closed mindedness I’m referring to your unwillingness to come see for yourself, and discouraging Gina. When I say prejudice, I mean pre-judging and disparaging the character of people you have never met.

    I still encourage you and Gina and any or all of your friends to open your minds, come, and see for yourselves. I’ll be there, you can email me, and I’ll be happy to introduce you around. I’ll be the tall cheerful guy with the sign that reads “Peace Brotherhood and Limited Government”

    Have a great day,
    /b

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  16. If everyone would carry a sign that had the message of peace and brotherhood, I would be there. I do not, however, believe in limited government, and I do not believe in the many, many other messages that I have seen from this “party.”

    If I were there, I would be adding to the “number of people per square block.”
    This number is used by the media to show the strength of a movement. I simply cannot promote this movement by my presence because I am not a hypocrite.

    Also, no one can either discourage nor encourage me to attend this rally. I know who I am and what I stand for and I can say, with clarity and certainty, that this movement does not reflect my views on any of the issues.

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  17. anitawein

    Right on, Gina!

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  18. blairgarber

    Ya know, I went to hear Jeremy Ben-Ami the founder of J Street on Tuesday. Now, I didn’t think we shared to many views, and as it turns out we don’t, but at least I went and heard him for myself.

    No one could accuse me of not giving him my attention, no one could accuse me of not wanting to hear his views first hand. I didn’t judge him based on hearsay. I’m not too lazy or smug to have judged him from afar. I didn’t worry that I’d be counted as a supporter because I sat in the audience; that would have been a pretty lame cop-out.

    I have to be honest and say that I find the attitude you express a little disappointing. You two seem a little too full of assumptions, a little lacking when it comes to open-mindedness or a willingness to hear another point of view. Don’t you think it’s possible that there could be a valid point of view that doesn’t agree with yours? I’m pretty sure it’s no virtue to have a closed, made-up mind. It’s certainly not classically liberal or progressive, it’s not even very intellectually honest. Not really something I’d boast about.

    There is nothing hypocritical about hearing another point of view, seeing with your own eyes, or hearing with your own ears.

    Actually since you are a teacher I’m particularly shocked by your proclivity to pre-judge without experience. Are you afraid you might learn something, or have to think? Your attitude is closer to the prejudice, narrow mindedness, and bigotry you profess to abhor. Frankly, it’s not at all what I’m used to from Tea Party people.

    I’m sorry to say you might be right, you might not fit in on the Plaza tomorrow and more’s the pity for you.

    /b

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  19. Are you trying to intimidate be into coming to this rally?

    Your posts are lined with accusations and insults, claiming that you are “challenging my prejudices” or that I “seem a little too full of assumptions, a little lacking when it comes to open-mindedness or a willingness to hear another point of view.” And worse yet, “Your attitude is closer to the prejudice, narrow mindedness, and bigotry you profess to abhor.”

    Have I insulted you? You’ve never even met me and yet you seem certain that I am intellectually dishonest, prejudice and narrow minded. I would say that you are the one that is closed minded.

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  20. blairgarber

    No Gina, of course not. I’m merely stating that your refusal to see a tea party for yourself before excoriating them on your blog, is inconsistent with liberal openmindedness. In fact I do find those actions have much more in commom with narrow-mindedness and prejudice, and yes I am critical of that.

    If however my tone comes across less agreeable than I’d intended it to be please accept my apology. Certainly reasonable people can disagree or point to differences without taking umbrage, don’t you think?

    /b

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  21. Are you saying that by not attending this rally, I could not possibly be au fait? That I haven’t “seen” the tea party unless I attended this very rally, here in Chicago?

    I have listened, with an open mind, to the philosophies and values of this movement as expressed by sources on the left, the right and the center . This is why it would be inconsistent with my liberal open mindedness to attend such a rally.

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  22. blairgarber

    Oui ma chère, c´est ça! Your blogging about tea parties would carry more authority and seem less biased, if you had actually attended a Tea Party.

    Of course that’s not the whole point, because you also missed a really good time with some great people! This year was even bigger and better than last year. My sign was a big hit and the optimism was palpable. The speakers were great and Joel Pollak even wrote and sang a song for the occasion. Wow, what a talented guy, brilliant, Harvard educated, and plays the guitar. We’re lucky to have people like Joel running for Congress. Sorry you missed it, but the good news is that you can see the highlights on YouTube.

    As for your assertion that not attending is somehow consistent with open-mindedness… Well, I’m not really sure how you can seriously make that case. I also admit I find myself wondering exactly what “…sources on the right …” you follow? Perhaps we can meet over Coffee and discuss them.

    While this thread has been captivating, I’d like to know what you think of my other comments on your blog.

    /b

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  23. What solutions did they propose at the rally?

    I really didn’t want to go here, but I have concluded, from what I have seen, heard, read and discussed with others (on the right), that the tea party is a party of closed mindedness.

    If there is any chance that I would be standing in a rally where someone was carrying a sign showing Obama as hitler, or the devil, or a communist, or a socialist, that would be extremely disturbing to me. Not just as a jewish woman, but as a patriotic American who supports my president. If the President fails, we all fail as Americans.

    Just a little note: when referring to Jewish people, keep in mind that the use of the word “Jew” is frequently considered offensive to the Jewish community. It is a shame (to put it lightly), but history’s use of this word gave it an anti-semitic slant. Just something I though you might want to know…

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  24. blairgarber

    Gina, I just searched the page and can’t find the word Jew anywhere except 4 times in the paragraph above where you have written it. However the word does not offend me at all, as I am proudly a Jew.

    Exactly what Obama/Hitler signs do you keep referring to? I was there and I didn’t see any.

    I did see quite a few “Bush is Hitler” and Bush as Hiller signs, pantomime masks, costumes, and effigies (some burning) at the Code Pink anti-war rallies during the previous administration. Are those the ones you’re talking about? I admit to have found some of those offensive, particularly burning the American Flag, but it’s their right to protest the Government. Moreover, it’s my personal opinion that if our flag stands for anything it stands for the right of someone to burn it as a form of political protest. There is of course, no right not to be offended.

    As for the failure of a president, I suppose it depends on what it is he’s trying to do. I am not that personally identified with any politician to care much if at all about their personal success or failure, it’s their polices that concern me. America succeeds by virtue of its people not its government. They serve us, not we them, we are sovereign here. “of the People by the People…” You know the rest.

    The solutions proposed were in general terms: curbing the ruinous government spending, less regulation, and more Liberty.

    /b

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